by Aticston » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:41 pm
You do realize that 1 in 1000 people would be, completely, and entirely, impossible to cover up right?
I mean, its part of the comics logic, so its part of how the comics logic functions etc, but in terms of "Reality" and keeping this secret, it would be, literally, impossible.
And I was giving examples based on 500K-million and how hard -THAT- would be, now its 7.5 million, and I can't fathom what kind of society would be oblivious to this unless the comics society the non-were's the average human being has the IQ of a postage stamp and barely functions enough to eat/sleep/breath
I like you a lot Kris, and if its the comics logic etc, I'll run with it, cause its fiction, but yeah, this would be literally impossible to keep under wraps, this is too much mixing of elements/races/clashes of cultures to not have the were culture found out/exposed etc.
I'm a -SEVERE- paranoid schizophrenic, and believe me, there's lots of stuff I fear the government is doing out to get me, or people out to get me etc, but yeah, but one in a thousand people being a were, yet -STILL- being covered up, while impossible in my previous example, is just drastically more blatantly obvious now.
I can't begin to list all the examples of this being found out. People being shot, people being executed, people being attacked on the streets, people falling 200ft cause a bridge collapses, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
So yeah, like I said, I am going to stick with the psychology of the characters, cause rationalizing it impossible. And I -KNOW- you were not arguing that "Its plausible" etc, you were just stating how Peter's particular world functions etc, and like I said, its part of its fiction so I'll run with it, I was just commenting further for this thread that having such a secret would be impossible given just how society functions as a complete whole.
Hell, lets take your Peter mugging comment. You said a were would kill the mugger, that would leave -INCREDIBLE- wounds on a body, the human body can take a -HELL- ton of abuse before expiring, a "beating" for example is much, much, much harder then you think to kill somebody -OUTSIDE- of crushing/breaking the human skull or causing brain damage. And at that, its not caused by a -SINGULAR- blow, when people die from skull fractures in fights, its not one punch, its many, many, many punches, or many, many, many kicks. Its just flat out one in a million rare to have somebody die from a SINGULAR head blow in a fight.
Now, said were punches person in the skull, kills them in a single hit. This would be incredibly hard to explain in a forensics way, as I have studied biology etc, and bones/tissue breaks/crumbles in a -VERY- specific way/pattern. For a bone to shatter from a impact, it leaves a imprint of what hit it. Bone hitting bone leaves very very blunt impacts, its akin to the outside edge of a bubble popping and caving in. A -WEAPON- hitting a skull causes a obliteration of the bone, not just a cavitation of the bone.
So its a cavitation of the skull with a -SINGULAR- blow, at that, said anatomy of the blow wouldn't add up. Just looking at the were's hands, they don't match up with human anatomy. The size of their hands in were form is -DRASTICALLY- huge alone, as is the anatomy -NOT- human in design, which would show up in forensics that the thing that hit the skull was not a weapon, BUT was not human. You can see these sorts of examples in animal attacks, like a person getting smacked by a grizzly etc, the cavitation of the bone conforms to the grizzly's paw shape.
So this leaves other forms of death, such as breaking the persons neck etc, or strangling, which is again, impossible to accomplish. Breaking the neck is a -MOVIE DEVICE-, its actually almost impossible to do, movies just do it cause it makes it look like "WOO HE KNOWS ULTRA MARTIAL ARTS!" etc, it takes a person with olympic strength to even come anywhere close to snapping a persons neck. Or hell, the were could just strangle the mugger, and in both cases, you would have the problem because not only would there be claw marks all over the persons head/neck/collarbone/shoulders, there would be tons and tons of additional forensic information such as all the weird animal hairs all over the struggling victim.
*sighs* I don't want to get dragged into this again and again, cause like I said, in -ACTUAL- logic such a society couldn't exist, and that's all I was arguing about. I don't bring it up when talking about the comic -ITSELF- because this is a work of fiction, thus, its world has its own set of designs etc. Talking about "Reality" in keeping the were secret is just beyond the scope of suspending disbelief. Like I said, I spend all my time when I talk about this comic (Other then giving Bar a ribbing when he draws Sarah's gloriously huge breasts smaller then normal =3) its dealing with human behavior, human reactions and how people naturally react to things. And even -THEN- I don't get too much into it, cause I could break down the psyche on quite a few of these characters and how they would have naturally evolved as human beings given their settings, like Peter, given how he's been treated his whole life etc, he wouldn't be mopey etc like he was at the start, he would have been rather jaded/combative/angry then mopey/submissive.
Peter evolving -LIKE HE HAS NOW- into a more -ASSERTIVE- character -IS- a completely natural "I need to take control of my life and stand up for myself" course of human behavioral growth when given the mopey/submissive background he has as a character, but that's just how he has been written and is his origin personality for the comic. Like I said, given Peter's upbringing/social life/social status etc he would be a rather mean spirited/jaded person, he would have evolved -COMPLETELY- into the character Gus is now, I pretty much guarantee that 100%, Peter would have been picking on people smaller then him at school etc for example. Hell I could give a really really really good argument given Peter's upbringing he could possibly become psychotic in behavior. So yeah, Peter's starting personality as he started the comic was a work of writing, not a work of reality. How Peter has "Grown" since then though is more or less completely natural and how people grow as human beings into adulthood.
So I guess I'll just stay out of these threads from now on, cause discussing on how to "Keep the secret" does not hold any such real terms or merit to how society actually functions, and I think we should -ALL- just enjoy the comics setting/world as it is, and do -NOT- try to rationally explain it, because like I have pointed out in many, many, many examples, running the rules of reality into Peter's universe just, well, destroys it. The logic of Peter's universe exists -OUTSIDE- the logic of our universe, and as such, we should just enjoy the comic as it is. Like hell, put it this way. Remember Star wars 4-6 where the force was just a "Magical force" and not explained, it was just used, it was a facet of that worlds laws of how it operated etc, it was fascinating, it was uplifting, it was mystical. Then episode 1 came out and -EXPLAINED- the force, and just completely -RUINED- it because they used -LOGIC AND SCIENCE TO EXPLAIN MAGIC-
Lets not do this to Peter's world please, I think we should spend less time thinking about its "Reality and how it functions" because frankly -ONLY- Kris/Bar1 know how that works, cause we only deal with -OUR- reality, not the comics one, and like I have shown, when you drag actual reality into Peter's universe, you obliterate its plausibility. Lets just stick with the characters, how they grow and evolve, and take part in it.